Curse

Mera Regila · Nov 08, 2006, 10:19 PM // 22:19

Considering the fact that they give titles for rare item identifying, chest running, and surviving (which is usually related to farming, since most people farm the titles). Why not for green farming? IMO it's unfair that when golds and purples get dropped for us and we identify them, and when keys get dropped, because it's a simple matter GETTING to the chest (only place i've seen this difficult was UW) Green items should give us some benefit too. For the record, the Greens would have to be ASSIGNED TO YOU for it to count, and the Green would HAVE to come from a level 20 or higher boss, so people couldn't just sit there and easily kill the level 12 or so bosses in the Shing Jea Island. Title would chart out something like this:

EDITED: Due to suggestions/comments from supporters, I have decided to change the green titles around:
Green Lover (Between 50% and 59% Greens Dropped and Assigned)
Green Collector (Between 60% and 69% Greens Dropped and Assigned)
Green Fanatic (Between 70% and 79% Greens Dropped and Assigned)
Master of All Greens (Between 80% and 89% Greens Dropped and Assigned)
Green Farming Grandmaster (Between 90% and 97% Greens Dropped and Assigned)
The Green God (Between 98% and 100% Greens Dropped and Assigned)
Urgoz's Warren and The Deep DO count however, the alliance controlling who gets in will probably never change, and those are part of the 100% of Greens. It may cause SOME controvertial moves such as closing down the elite missions because of a "Green God Title Manopoly" still though, people would get the Green Farming Grandmaster Title, and maybe a gracious alliance might come along and give everyone acess.

Comments?

Jetdoc · Nov 08, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Rubbing salt in the wound for those that consistently don't get the green drops?

Mera Regila · Nov 08, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Rubbing salt in the wound for those that consistently don't get the green drops?

There have to be very few of those, because I have never met someone who could consistently farm a boss and not get the green more than a few times. Oh, and the identifying title doesn't rub salt in the wound for those of us who don't get purples and golds? Or the chest title rubbing salt in the wound for those of us who don't get key drops that often? Is that all the comment that you have? You can at least put some thought into your posts before you make them.

Jetdoc · Nov 08, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Mera Regila

Is that all the comment that you have? You can at least put some thought into your posts before you make them.

Slow down there, sparky.

1. Many, many people have fought bosses and not gotten greens. It was documented in another thread that the percentage chance that a given boss will drop a green item is about 10%. Take a party of eight people - that gives you a 1-2% chance that you'll get a green item after you kill a boss.

There are many, many people bitter about this very low drop rate. This would definitely be a "salt in the wound" title for those people who don't have as good of luck as you in obtaining these items.

2. If you open a chest, you are GUARANTEED of getting a purple or gold item. Big difference - you know, when you open that chest, that you're getting credit to your title. If you chose to farm chests, you would obtain that title, guaranteed. Which is very much unlike green "farming".

Faer · Nov 08, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Why would ArenaNet introduce a title that greatly encourages something they don't hold in very high regards? Chests and Rares are one thing, but I doubt they will ever add a title for who can solo Sskai the most.

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Originally Posted by Mera Regila

Oh, and the identifying title doesn't rub salt in the wound for those of us who don't get purples and golds? Or the chest title rubbing salt in the wound for those of us who don't get key drops that often? Is that all the comment that you have? You can at least put some thought into your posts before you make them.

You can buy your way to both the Treasure Hunter and Wisdom Seeker max levels.
You should watch what you say, and practice what you preach...
The default list font should be Times New Roman

Dougal Kronik · Nov 08, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Only if you get credit once for each unique Green. Regardless of the level.

You get Stinger, that counts as one.
You get Jin's Hornbow, that counts as another one.
You get get another Jin's Hornbow, no credit for it.

This way they could have the title's max tier be the acquisition of 90% of the readily available Greens across all three continents.

Don't count The Deep or Urgoz's Warren. Unless they change the way players can access these missions, without having to rely on charity from the controlling Alliance.

Don't count end game Greens that you have purchase/trade your one final mission reward to get.

pingu666 · Nov 09, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

*very* much a farmers title, i agree with dogal tho

Carth` · Nov 09, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

No! . . .

Mera Regila · Nov 09, 2006, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by Faer

Why would ArenaNet introduce a title that greatly encourages something they don't hold in very high regards? Chests and Rares are one thing, but I doubt they will ever add a title for who can solo Sskai the most.

If you can prove to any extent that ArenaNet "does not hold greens in very high regards" please let me know. Because between the triple green weekend, and the fact that almost all Cantha bosses drop Green weapons, it looks like there is evidence to the contrary.

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Originally Posted by Faer

You can buy your way to both the Treasure Hunter and Wisdom Seeker max levels.
You should watch what you say, and practice what you preach...
The default list font should be Times New Roman

You can buy your way there sure, but SOMEONE has to farm it. And you have to somehow gain the money, most of the time people choose farming.
I'm sorry but I really don't understand your breed of philosophy, never have, probably never will. I can tell you this though, It annoys me when people sit there and type 1 sentence long responses arguing with my suggestions.
Not even going to respond....

Faer · Nov 09, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by Mera Regila

If you can prove to any extent that ArenaNet "does not hold greens in very high regards" please let me know.

Don't openly and deliberately misquote me. I was talking about solo farming, not greens. You should have been able to tell that from my comment about Sskai.

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Originally Posted by Mera Regila

You can buy your way there sure, but SOMEONE has to farm it. And you have to somehow gain the money, most of the time people choose farming.

Point taken; though I don't necessarily agree with it, it does hold some merit.

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Originally Posted by Mera Regila

I'm sorry but I really don't understand your breed of philosophy, never have, probably never will.

I'm sorry, but that's none of my concern. It's just how humanity works.

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Originally Posted by Mera Regila

I can tell you this though, It annoys me when people sit there and type 1 sentence long responses arguing with my suggestions.

Sometimes, essays aren't required to make a point.

Angel Netherborn · Nov 09, 2006, 04:28 AM // 04:28

This sort of title very obviously encourages farming. Much more so than the simple opening of chests and identifying golds. But subjective views aside, I think Anet might not like the idea of having to keep additional records for each green item dropped for each character in existence.

shardfenix · Nov 09, 2006, 07:30 AM // 07:30

There is. It's called control-click your item slots. The emote for it is /age.

freekedoutfish · Nov 09, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42

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Originally Posted by Mera Regila

There have to be very few of those, because I have never met someone who could consistently farm a boss and not get the green more than a few times. Oh, and the identifying title doesn't rub salt in the wound for those of us who don't get purples and golds? Or the chest title rubbing salt in the wound for those of us who don't get key drops that often? Is that all the comment that you have? You can at least put some thought into your posts before you make them.

I agree with your idea in principle.

I think it would be good to show how many green drops a person has found. It would be a kind of "green wisdom title", because you could see someone has it and maybe ask their advice on prices for an item or know that they might offer you a decent price.

But it would still incourage farming, and it would still be unfair, and actually ALOT harder to do.

The wisdom title only needs gold to buy non-id gold items and the drop rates are alot more common then greens.

The treasure hunter is even easier.

The green title would incourage far greater farming in particular areas. This is assuming your idea counts how many times any and all greens drop for you.

I think your idea is good, but to fix the unfairness of needing to farm constantly in the same area....

...make it only count a particular green ONCE. So in order to get the max title, you need to farm EVERY unique green that exists.

Now this would also incourage farming, but it would stop people farming the SAME person all the time.

And you could then include the lower lvl bosses who drop greens.

Or have a green farming title for each continent, like explorer and protector.

To show if you have found all the greens in on campaign.

Gonzo · Nov 09, 2006, 10:49 AM // 10:49

/signed, if you only get 1 extra point the first time a specific item drops for you. So when you get 200 Stonereapers, it's still worth only 1 for the title. (Oh, need to keep a checklist if you want to complete it then)

bigwig · Nov 09, 2006, 11:01 AM // 11:01

Shouldn't the greens themselves be reward enough for green farming?

Mera Regila · Nov 09, 2006, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by Faer

Don't openly and deliberately misquote me. I was talking about solo farming, not greens. You should have been able to tell that from my comment about Sskai.

Maybe I should have been able to tell, still though, solo farming is acceptable to ArenaNet, considering the fact that they kept the 55 monk un-nerfed. They like to make it harder, but they don't totally kill it, which they are totally able to do.

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Originally Posted by Faer

Point taken; though I don't necessarily agree with it, it does hold some merit.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Faer

I'm sorry, but that's none of my concern. It's just how humanity works. Sometimes, essays aren't required to make a point.

Though I don't understand your first statement completely, you should please defer from trying to teach me something using it from now on then? If i don't tend to understand it, unless you don't want to teach me anything from the statement.
I agree on the second sentiment, but I prefer essays to:

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Originally Posted by Carth '

No! . . .

Or:

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Rubbing salt in the wound for those that consistently don't get the green drops?

Jetdoc's had some merit to it, but he didn't totally elaborate until his next post, which I thank him for. And can I please remind all involved to keep the debate clean? I can't tell you how many threads on gaming sites I've had to shut down and/or have a moderator/admin help me lock it because of flame wars. On a related note, please don't use the "..." expression, because more than half the time it's used here, it means something along the lines of rudeness.
Thank you.

legion_rat · Nov 09, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

title is simple, and not to bad of an idea. I agree that you should only get credit once per green. If not i will get the shing jea daggers a 100 times in about 3 days and boom title (yay me). No matter how much anet says they dont like farming it will still exist. they can not nerf it comepletely just make it harder to do. If they decided to give a green title what does it truly hurt?
I have farmed a few greens trying to get shreaders talons now, and yes the green is a nice reward, but the title would be pretty cool. seeing someone with a master title for that means alot. that person has to be pretty freaking good or have spent enough time doing it that if you wanted a certain green you could ask "hey how do u get ssyns staff" this allows for more player interaction. And unlike the gold/chest titles you personally have to find greens. you cannot buy them.

~the green rat~

Faer · Nov 09, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Mera Regila

Though I don't understand your first statement completely

To clarify:

Through our days, there will be those that do not agree with, or understand, our ways of thinking. It's just simply part of human nature, and it can't be changed, no matter how hard we try to make things so very clear that every single living individual will understand them. The best way to deal with situations like these is sometimes to simply move along, and agree to disagree. You don't understand the way I think, and while I wish you could, I won't concern myself with going into every single little detail about all of my thought processes, just as I wouldn't expect you to do the same for me.

Now for something constructive relating to the title idea...

It's a good idea on the basic level, but as it stands, it'd encourage solo farming (which, though they allow to continue, ArenaNet has said that they do not encourage, nor do they greatly appreciate), and the market would probably take yet another strange hit, which we really don't need to happen at this point in time. So, a couple of possible ways to keep these things from happening, or at least, to keep them from occurring on a vast scale:

As stated previously, make greens unique for the title. One Strongroot's Shelter, one point; three hundred Strongroot's Shelters, still one point.
To prevent solo farming en masse, encourage players to go out with some kind of group by raising the title points only when the player obtains a green in a party of three or more others (Players, Henchmen, or Heroes).

I'd list more possible ideas, but I have work to do right now, and I can't stand the fact that the default list font still isn't Times New Roman...

Dougal Kronik · Nov 09, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by Faer

I'd list more possible ideas, but I have work to do right now, and I can't stand the fact that the default list font still isn't Times New Roman...

lol, why the love of the font: Times New Roman?

Clone · Nov 09, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

No. Horrible idea. If the greens aren't reward enough, I pity you.